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Winter Mountaineering
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Posted 8:56 AM 1/4/2005

Anybody interested in a winter mountaineering trip to the Sierra?

this would be restricted to experienced mountaineers.  they would be required to have experience traveling and camping in snow/cold temps.

also would need an avy beacon, and know how to use it. 

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Posted 11:46 AM 1/4/2005

Steve, I have been thinking about heading to Tyndall.  Yes, I know it is a long ways in.  One thing I was wondering about was the possibility of skiing in and out...  Open to other places too...

Jason

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Posted 1:37 PM 1/4/2005

I actually wanted to attempt a technical winter ascent sometime - low to mid 5th class, but haven't figured out how to manage snow yet without tearing up multiple pairs of expensive gloves or losing fingers (among several other issues), and conditions right now aren't prime for any mixed climbing, plus I only have weekends to get busy.  So, my ideas are being quickly grounded to something way more do-able & easier.  Read: I'm outta shape.  Actually, I was never in shape, so I don't know how I could be out of it.  Hmmm.  Anyway...  a lot of slab formations during the last storm.  Big slides everywhere, even between the trees, so open spaces and above treeline were extremely hazardous.  Ski in and ski out with heavy pack is very appealing, and at the same time humbling.   We were sinking down to our knees last week with skis on.  yah, I'd be interested, although I don't count on summitting anything since I only have weekends to give.  If you have multiple days (at least 3-5) to do a climb, chances of success are much better, and I'd say go for it.  And the more people you have to switch off breaking trail, the better off you'll be.

 

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Posted 3:28 PM 1/4/2005

Steve, Jason, Ray, etc.

I'm definitely interested in doing a winter mountaineering trip. I'm open to any ideas. I would be limited to weekends, or slightly extended weekends though.

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Posted 5:44 PM 1/4/2005

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BJ

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Posted 6:25 PM 1/4/2005
<---climbing in Red Rocks that weekend
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Posted 8:02 PM 1/4/2005

can't do MLK

I am leaning toward Carillon, although a winter ascent of North Pal would be awesome. Emerson has a very nice couloir on the north face. Ray, I'm so out of shape it's embarassing.

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Posted 8:42 PM 1/4/2005

Ooooh, that would be a steep ski down that avalanche slope heading up to the Russell-Carillon saddle (although I've never heard about it to ever slide,  it has gone "whump whump" a couple of times).   Could be fun, with the right snow conditions.

It would be a steep skin up also.

If you opt to not skin up and use ice axe/crampons, I'm not sure if the snow would consolidate enough for crampon usage.  You might have to posthole (even with snowshoes) all the way up 2000' of 35 degree slope, since you don't get the normal freeze/melt cycles of springtime.  Photo was taken in springtime.

 

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Posted 9:06 PM 1/4/2005

Oh, and don't forget about the Portal road closure.  there's probably no way you're getting a car up that road right now.  Snow levels were forecast down to 4500' (up north by Bishop/Mammoth, anyway).   Add some additional days for approach and exit.

Steve, how 'bout skiing in the Whites.  It's probably prime time dry continental powder right now...all the way down to the foothills of Bishop!  

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Posted 10:33 PM 1/4/2005

Ray,

so true. you could probably ski a good portion of Silver Canyon(Laws) I skied part of it back in the eighties. the White's are great.

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Posted 9:07 AM 1/5/2005

Jason,

I'd be willing to bet you'd find a cornice sitting at the top of the pass.

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Posted 10:15 AM 1/5/2005
Sounds more interesting all the time 
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Posted 10:27 AM 1/5/2005

Yeah, the more I have been thinking about it, the less I think heading up shepards pass would be a good idea any time soon given current conditions.

Hmm, what about the South Fork of Bairs Creek, or something like that on Williamson.  I have a fairly new AT setup and want to get some miles on it...

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Posted 11:25 AM 1/5/2005

S Fork Bairs Creek = closed until April/May

it's 4300' in a scant 3 miles (to get to camp).  quite a steep skin.  the chutes above the bowl are hard, if not impossible to get up in winter powder snow, and they are convex at the top.  Learn from the idiot.  ME!  3900' in 2 miles to the summit.

Some other options: Mt Morrison, Mt Tom, Gould, Rock Creek, Winter Alta, Tuolumne...etc  List goes on.  Mind you, there are some BIG slab avalanches cutting loose right now.

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Posted 11:48 AM 1/5/2005

You guys are right about access in getting to the trailheads.

Gould might work, but once again th access is problematic.  Morrison is a possibility, and the north face of Laurel would be a great ski. t-meadows is also possible, but not sure I'd want to be skiing on the tp road given the present avy conditions.

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Posted 12:01 PM 1/5/2005

yeah, tioga pass wouldn't be the brightest idea, and Independence th is likely inaccessible.  the road to June Lake was closed last week, so you had to detour around the the north side of the lake to get to the Tiger Bar!

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Posted 11:57 AM 1/6/2005
Quote: Originally posted by Raymeister on 05 January 2005

  the road to June Lake was closed last week, so you had to detour around the the north side of the lake to get to the Tiger Bar!


           what? that is horrible!!